Justice Feelgood Marshall ([info]textureslut) wrote,
@ 2005-07-06 15:02:00
Previous Entry  Add to memories!  Tell a Friend!  Next Entry
Current music:Hooverphonic - Battersea

The Incredibly True Story of the Nation That Stopped Living And Became Mixed-Up Zombies
Ok, this is going to get REAL long and probably very boring for those of you who don't dig political posts. For the two of you who have been complaining that I don't write about politics anymore, though, it's party time.

Various parts of this post have been bouncing around in my head for a long time, and are mostly coming together now in partial response to something Sweetney posted a couple weeks ago. Sweetney was questioning whether we are headed for imminent economic collapse, and I can't really answer that because I don't know shit about economics. However, I have been thinking about imminent political collapse. Basically, there's been a question that's been bothering me a lot since the 2004 election, and it goes a little something like this: Is George W. Bush REALLY as bad as I think he is and is America REALLY as totally fucked as it appears to be, or is it just that every generation has a tendency to believe that they are living in uniquely dramatic times that threaten to tear apart the nation (e.g., Vietnam/Watergate before us, McCarthyism/mutually assured destruction before that, Great Depression/WWII before that, Reconstruction/Civil War before that)? In other words, is America just on the far arc of a pendulum swing that will eventually return to the center, or is it headed off a cliff with no hope of returning and no bottom in sight?

After giving this a great deal of thought and trying to remove my political biases from the question as much as possible, my conclusion is this: Yes, things really are as bad as they look, if not worse, and America is probably toast as the world's most powerful nation within our lifetimes. Herein, I flail about and meander as I attempt to explain the many many reasons why I think that, and why I do not think that it is a defeatist and pessimistic belief, just a realistic one.


  • Foreign Policy

    I. First, the most obvious reason: George Bush has this country deeply invested -- financially, emotionally and rhetorically -- in a war that is simply too broadly defined to ever be won. Not the war in Iraq, the war on terror. (The fact that they are two separate things is a huge problem in itself, of course.) The war on terrorism, by definition, can't end until it is impossible to commit an act of terrorism. Terrorism is defined as the use of violence to frighten a population for the purposes of achieving a political end. Think about how easy that is to do, and think about how many different motivations one could have for committing an act of terrorism. A democracy can not function correctly in a state of perpetual war, and that is exactly what we will have as long as Bush is in power, because he has raised the stakes so high on this that to back down now would be an admission that America is incapable of asserting its will, which would be fatal to long-term foreign policy. He's turned the old "speak softly and carry a big stick" concept entirely on its head -- now America's strategy is "Talk a lot of shit and pray it all works out the way it says you will, because you sure as fuck are going to need a lot of luck for that to happen."

    We might -- might -- have had our only chance to get out of this death spiral at the 2004 election. A new administration would have had the ability to treat the last four years as an aberration, and ratchet down the rhetoric enough that we wouldn't be forced to try and follow through on Bush's insane crusading optimism. I'm truly not certain than a Kerry win would have been much better anyway, because he would have walked directly into the biggest shitstorm ever and had probably the hardest job of the presidency since FDR while at the same time dealing with a viciously effective right-wing attack machine completely dedicated to stopping him at every turn (more on that below.) But after 8 years of this, we're guaranteed to be so far down a hole in world opinion and military strength that our options for deescalation will be far more limited than they are now -- and they suck pretty badly now.

    I remember the exact second that I first realized we were in more geopolitical trouble than I ever thought I would see in my lifetime. Not 9/11 itself, not when Bush said that all nations were either with us or against us, but when he first uttered the phrase "Axis of Evil" in the 2002 State of the Union. I remember staring at the screen in disbelief at the fact that he had just conflated three utterly different nations with three utterly different political ideologies into a single entity. It was the moment, I think, where our foreign policy well and truly jumped the shark. Yes, I'm fully aware that American foreign policy was ugly, brutal and unfair long before W ever drank his first Budweiser, but it was that moment in the speech, of Bush blithely opening up a three-front war just for a rhetorical flourish, that was when I started thinking that 9/11 might have actually been the beginning of the end of this nation as we know it.

    II. The war in Iraq, as I said above, is not the war on terror. At least, it's not completely the war on terror. It infuriates me to no end how many people think that the situation in Iraq is The Brave US Military vs. The Evil Terrorists. It's the military vs. elements of the former regime, vs. Sunni nationalists, vs. foreign jihadists, vs. garden-variety thugs and criminals, vs. paid killers, vs. people who just want us to get the fuck out of their country. The motivations of these groups are exceedingly complex and sometimes they conflict with each other, but the point is that there is a very wide variety of people who have a very wide variety of reasons to blow shit up. This is not a issue with a military solution. That is, it's not the kind of fight you win by crushing enemy positions and killing enough of the enemy that they can't continue to fight. The more people suffer and die in Iraq, the more people have a reason to join the insurgency to get us out, and those people are ostensibly the same one you are trying to help. So this is an issue with a political solution - that is, you try to give all the various groups something they want -- EXCEPT that your major problem is that any government that appears to built by the US is going to have zero legitimacy.

    I can't remember where I first saw this specific formulation of the problem, but it's depressingly accurate in its simplicity:

    - As long as there is a single US soldier on Iraqi soil, there's going to be a bloody insurgency.
    - As soon as there are no US soldiers on Iraqi soil, there's going to be a bloody civil war.

    The only other possibility - an native Iraqi army takes over its own security -- is a fucking joke to anybody who has been following the process of said army building. I'm not going to get into that here, but here's some background on that. The point is that Iraq, which was supposed to be the pushover of the Axis of Evil, is inexorably grinding our military to shreds and becoming a bottomless money pit. One thing that I hear a lot from war supporters is that people wringing their hands over military casualties are wimps because we've "only" lost about 1,700 people and we lost many, many times that (58,000, to be exact) in Vietnam. To which I say a number of things:

    1. Right, tell that to the fucking parents, friends and lovers of those 1,700+ dead.

    2. Most of the attacks in Iraq are aimed at Iraqi army recruits and civilians. That comes to a hell of a lot more than 1,700 dead and in the long run those are the casualty numbers that are going to force us out.

    3. Medical technology has advanced in the years since Vietnam to the point that many, many soldiers who would have died on the battlefield now survive the same injuries. So they're not on the KIA list. However, they are blind, or legless, or paralyzed, or otherwise definitely never Fighting 4 Freedom again. Currently the number of wounded who did not return to duty within 72 hours stands at 6492. (The total wounded number: somewhere between 15,000 and 38,000.)

    4. And the most interesting Fun Fact - currently, the attrition rate for American soldiers in Iraq is approximately the same as the attrition rate for Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan during their invasion. As you may or may not remember, during the 1980s Osama bin Laden fought a long-term guerrilla war against the Soviets in Afghanistan with the (clearly stated) goal of destroying their empire through slowly bleeding it dry. Of course there were many, many other reasons for the collapse of the USSR, but their quagmire and eventual shameful withdrawal from the area was certainly a precipitating factor. (And, of course, the quagmire and eventual shameful withdrawal led to Afghan civil war, which led to the rise of the Taliban, and oh boy, history is nonstop comedy.)

    I should move on, but speaking of the Lessons of History, I just have to take a moment at the end of this section to express the dizzying combination of disbelief and rage I feel when I hear George Bush trying to compare the state of the nascent Iraq government to the American Revolution. NO, you obtuse idiot, there are almost ZERO valid comparisons between this and the American Revolution, and of the few comparisons that CAN be drawn, WE are the colonialist Redcoats and THEY are the brave Minutemen. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? I am a fucking state-college DROPOUT who spends 25 percent of his waking hours DRINKING BEER and another 15 percent playing The Sims 2 and even I know enough basic history to know exactly how retarded you sound when you try to argue that line.

    Anyway, that's my case for why we are fucked in both the war in Iraq and the broader War on Noun, but those things alone, I don't think, make a case for America tanking as a dominant power in our lifetimes. If you add this to the the domestic trends, though, I believe the case is a great deal stronger.

  • Domestic Trends

    I. If you've bothered to read this far, you have probably read George Orwell's 1984 at some point in your life. If you have not, I seriously beseech you to read it now. If you haven't read it recently, I seriously beseech you to read it again. It is by now cliche for partisans to accuse their opponents of Orwellian tactics, but that doesn't change the fact that, pre-9/11, 1984 read like science fiction and now it truly reads like prophecy. A recent post by the always excellent Billmon nailed this as perfectly as it could be nailed (please follow this link, it's incredibly chilling.)

    But of course, it's not just the massaging of statistics that makes post-9/11 America look so Orwellian. Osama bin Laden has slipped into the role of Emmanuel Goldstein, the all-powerful yet completely invisible bogeyman than can be evoked at any time by the government to instill fear in the populace. A lack of support for the leader is construed as active support for the enemy. Words not only lose their meaning, but actually mean the opposite of their original definitions; we're told a state of perpetual war is the only way we can ever ensure peace. We're told that George Bush's ignorance is not actually ignorance after all, but the strength to differentiate between good and evil. Only weak people overthink those things -- they're flip-floppers,, they're nuanced. "Fair and balanced" means "partisan and divisive." History changes with no government acknowledgment that things were ever any other way -- first we went to Iraq in self-defense, then we went to Iraq because Saddam Hussein was a bad bad man, then we went to Iraq to build a wellspring of democracy, and before all that Saddam's Iraq was our ally in the fight against Iran's Islamic fundamentalism. Easily proven facts are outright denied (remember Bush saying in the third debate that he never said he "wasn't worried about bin Laden?") and the media makes no effort to correct the record.

    This leads to a major difference between 2005 America and 1984 Oceania. Oceania was a fascist dictatorship with a completely state-run media. America is a capitalist democracy with a corporate media. In search of profits, this corporate media has done a bang-up job of strangling democracy by turning news into entertainment. Now news appeals to the lowest common denominator; shiny video-game graphics, explosions and sounds that are meant to evoke a Pavlovian response ("Ooh- that sound means an Important Piece of News is coming!") are used to introduce everythingon cable news now, from the death of the Pope to the mysterious disappearance of yet another Innocent Young White Female. Shoutfest talk shows get much, much better ratings than reasonable debate. Without truly balanced news, original reporting and journalistic challenges to government statements, there is no way for the average citizen to make an informed choice about anything. Yes, of course it is possible to get access to a wide variety of independent news on the Internet, but the great majority of Americans are still not very computer-savvy and still get the majority of their news from television, which no longer exists to inform but to entertain. Even if there was suddenly magically a computer and Internet connection in every American home, though, I imagine that TV news would still be the primary source of news for most Americans, because it's easier to have somebody tell you the news than for you to seek it out and read it yourself.

    Republicans have totally figured this out, and over the course of my relatively short lifetime have gotten amazingly, almost terrifying good at message control, having people at all levels of the media and in all mediums pushing a party line simultaneously. Repetition works, and with a 24-hour news cycle, every minute is another opportunity to get a meme repeated and quite literally imprinted on the brains of millions of Americans. The Democrats suck at this, but they are going to get better. Either that, or they're going to disappear completely, because you simply can't fight a meaningless but short and memorable message ("Stay the course," "Freedom is on the march,") with a complex, unwieldy one (like, um, this fucking blog post.) This explains why conservatives tend to do better in mediums like TV and radio and liberals do better in books and magazines; we just need more words to explain our case. The problem is that -- and this gets back to Ignornace Is Strength -- conservatives have done a good job of making it look like mulling over an issue too much is in itself questionable and possibly treasonous.

    So, bringing this back to the original point of America being fucked, we're in a situation where it is bad business, hard work and ultimately fruitless for the corporate news to seriously question whether or not we are headed over a cliff. I have the distinct feeling that many, many, many Americans have no clue how much trouble we're in as a nation. Oh sure, they know we're in trouble, they know terrorists are evil and out to get us and we gotta kill them all first, but America is good and the good guys always win, so we'll be all right eventually. I don't think they realize that Americans are the only people who see themselves as the good guys anymore. If this didn't do it:



    -- nothing ever will.

    II. One thing that I really haven't decided how I feel about is the ascendancy of the allegedly Christian far-right wing of the Republican Party. Part of me feels that they represent a very small part of America but have succeeded in claiming to speak for all God-fearin' Americans, and part of me is scared that the average non-city-dwelling American really does agree that this whole evolution-teaching, abortion-having, fag-loving culture needs to be yanked back 50 years or so. Part of me feels that Karl Rove and George Bush have cynically exploited the allegedly Christian right for their votes and don't really buy into their nutty End Times philosophy, and part of me is scared that Bush's foreign policy makes a hell of a lot more sense if he really thinks he is doing God's work by trying to hasten the Rapture.

    I think it will be a lot easier to tell how dedicated to the the allegedly Christian right Bush is with his Supreme Court pick. I do know that there are very few things more divisive than religious beliefs, and that the Republicans have had zero compunction about using that to their advantage. One of the most terrible things about the religious right-wing (and oh, there are so many) is their willingness to paint their domestic opposition as representing Evil. Liberals tend to think Bush is mean, narrow-minded and stupid, but I think very few of them literally believe he is Evil except in the "very, very bad" sense. The religious right wing sees the left wing as literally, Biblically, demonically Evil, supporting policies that are against the will of God, and if one can be painted to be an enemy of God, there is absolutely nothing you can do to them that is too extreme. A division like this is fatal to a democracy. Like I said above, the major question is how deep that division runs, and how much the government and its enablers are willing to widen it, and we'll know very soon.

    III. Here there ought to be some discussion of housing bubbles, deficits, outsourcing and the like, but like I said I do not know shit about economics and I'll leave that for others to mull over. There is one economic point I'd like to make, though, that being that the Clinton surplus that vanished at incredible speed once Bush took office is one of the easiest ways to understand that the right wing actively avoids doing anything that would actually help all its citizens. Better from their point of view to go into massive deficits, thus being able to claim that there is no money for government services while routing "necessary" war expenditures to favored groups like defense contractors and oil drillers. The Cost of War site is an incredibly depressing resource which shows in cold hard numbers exactly how much of a money pit the unnecessary Iraq war is, and exactly what else could have been done with the money. At the moment of this writing, $178,903,030,947 has been spent fighting in Iraq, an amount of money that would provide EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION four-year scholarships at public universities.

  • After 2008

    The bottom line here is that I think America is facing a variety of issues that will only be made worse by three more years of a stubborn Bush administration insisting on a staying a course that is running America into the ground both domestically and internationally. This doesn't even take into account how horrendously ultra-fucked we would be if there was another terrorist attack as damaging as 9/11 (although, quite honestly, it's hard for me to imagine a non-NBC attack that could measure up as an act of theatre -- you've really got to hand it to the Evil Turrists for setting the bar remarkably high with that one). After another major terrorist attack, we'd be looking at a police state and a draft.

    I do not think that the collapse of America is imminent, but I do think it is unavoidable given post 9/11 trends. I think future historians will look back on the American emplre as lasting about 100 years from 1945 to 2045, with its best years coming between the breakup of the Soviet Union and September 10, 2001. All the elements to drag us down to the level of an ex-dominant power (Russia, the UK, and yes, even France) are totally there. Certainly people can, do and will disagree with this analysis, and by no means do I claim to have made a brilliant case - I've left out and skimmed over many things. I'm not a scholar or a history expert, I'm just somebody who reads a lot. I just wanted to quickly get down for the record why I think we're fucked, instead of just stating it as a fact.

    Anyway. Have a great day!



  • (Post a new comment)


    [info]calamityjake
    2005-07-06 12:22 pm UTC (link)
    Well, plus, we've got to make some room for China and India.

    This was a pretty chilling post, and I don't find much to disagree with in it--the only way out of this, I think, is for a massive political shift in the next 2 elections ('06 and especially '08). That will only happen if the GOP gets split because actual political conservatives get sick of their party's being hijacked by rabid religious extremists. It's possible, but I'm not exactly holding my breath.

    (Reply to this) (Thread)


    [info]stackolee
    2005-07-07 11:02 am UTC (link)
    India and China do look scary, but I don't think we have too too much to worry about. With all due respect to Thomas Friedman of course (the flattening world analogy is very clever), but we're not really speaking about India when we talk about India, we're talking about Bangladesh, the rest of the country is in a sustained depression, suicide rates, rampant poverty etc, a lot of stuff to get over. Those fancy call centers have huge turnover, because getting yelled at by irate Americans can shake pretty much anybody. The same goes with computer programmers. If you think they swell with pride when analysts remind them that doing the exact same work in America could get them five times as much money, you're mistaken. Of course, the funny thing about India is their nearly inexhaustible work force, and whenever one qualified person leaves a position, another couple thousand could claim the job.

    To India's credit, it doesn't seem to want to push itself into a number one position. Like Ireland and Eastern Europe, it just wants a proportionate piece of the pie. Actually I guess it just wants to be the next Ireland, which right now is flush with cash (American companies invest more there than in all of China).

    China might be a problem, but I think its all a question of how long its government plays nice...

    I guess this had little to do with your reply, sorry but I've been mulling over this a lot recently.

    (Reply to this) (Parent)


    [info]dooriya
    2005-07-06 01:52 pm UTC (link)
    I know it's totally assinine of me to try and simplify the world's current statis into a very basic question, but I'll ask it anyway. Why do you think people are so crappy to one another? Is it for a single human trait - greed - that we go and kill others (in the name of god/democracy/whatever)? Of course we doesn't mean America.

    DD


    PS you need this:



    (Reply to this) (Thread)


    [info]textureslut
    2005-07-07 10:25 am UTC (link)
    Hm. I'm not sure I can narrow that trait down to a single word, but I'm going to say it's the tendency that humans have to believe that the lives & well-being of people who look different, speak different languages, practice different cultures and/or worship different gods are not as important as the lives & well-being of people we can easily relate to.

    Thank you for the kittens, they are a marked contrast to Lynndie fuckin' England.

    (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


    [info]rogator
    2005-07-08 03:24 pm UTC (link)
    i think it is because everyone was brought up badly and is thus very insecure. people who are secure are unfailingly nice.

    check out this unrelated and extremely interesting article about the DSM:
    http://www.bernie.house.gov/documents/articles/20050705165627.asp

    (Reply to this) (Parent)


    (Anonymous)
    2005-07-06 03:17 pm UTC (link)
    Jesus Christ. I'm going to post something about my cat now.

    - jwer

    (Reply to this)


    [info]ilovejolt
    2005-07-06 04:04 pm UTC (link)
    I like it when you make political posts.

    (Reply to this)


    [info]fightscrime
    2005-07-06 04:09 pm UTC (link)
    My secret fear is that a lot of people thought the Abu Ghraib pictures were really funny.
    That's not my only secret fear, naturally, but that scandal--which really turned out not to be much of a scandal at all in this country, considering the magnitude of what those pictures represented--and how little damage it actually did to the status quo (again, in this country and within the military) make me suspect that for a lot of the people who are willing to get worked up about fetuses or low-rise pants, they just didn't think Abu Ghraib was a big enough deal to get upset about.

    (Reply to this)


    [info]emilypost
    2005-07-06 06:59 pm UTC (link)
    Yaaaaaaaaay!

    As one of the (apparently two) people begging you to come back to the political writing, I must say, you didn't disappoint.

    I will mention that an Iraqi friend of mine, who visited the United States a couple months ago, was adamant that there will not be a civil war. And, like most Iraqis, he is not what you might call an optimist. Fatalist might be more accurate. Yet he doesn't think there will be a civil war. His rationale was complex, and not always easy for me to understand largely because I am, as you know, not an Iraqi. But I think his views are worthy of note, especially given his perspective of being right in the middle of it all, and talking daily with people of wildly disparate views -- from insurgents to government officials to the Americans in his office.

    As for the Christian fundamentalists, I am not torn. I am genuinely scared. They're convinced they're being persecuted; they're convinced we're standing in the way of Jehovah's return. The unholy alliance between the Evangelicals and the Zionists is particularly disturbing -- but maybe I just think that because I don't believe we should be spending our time trying to secure Jerusalem in order to pave the way for the second coming (or the first coming, if you're a Zionist -- and that little biblical disagreement should be an epic battle in itself.) See www.harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist.html -- it's scary as hell, but an amazing and important read. (Sheds a bit of light on the recent kerfuffle at the Air Force Academy, too.)

    All that said, remember: War Is Peace. The Ministry of Love is at work at this very moment to make sure our enemies are defeated, and if that means yanking off their fingernails with a rusty pair of pliers, well, just keep in mind that they're doing it for Freedom, because they remember the lessons of that terrible day in New York and Washington ... dude, I could SO be a presidential speechwriter.

    Miss you! (You and Cara should come to Bollywood this Saturday! Free movie, free food, a strawberry-tobacco-filled hookah in the den ....)

    (Reply to this)


    [info]wowbagger
    2005-07-06 07:02 pm UTC (link)
    I completely agree with [info]fightscrime.

    Also, I'm not the world's biggest optimist, but I'm trying to think of it in the sense of thesis, antithesis, synthesis. I'm not huge into politics; I don't pay as much attention as I should. But I'm really hoping that this is happening as an antithesis to the Clinton years, and that something will happen to make the next guy slightly less of a dunderhead.

    The way things are going, though, it seems more likely that Billy Graham will be our next president.

    (Reply to this)


    [info]emilypost
    2005-07-06 07:10 pm UTC (link)
    Oh, and what's up with this little tidbit from RaptureReady.com:

    34 The Antichrist:
    The French no vote on the EU constitution has downgraded this
    category.

    ???????

    I understand not liking France. Fine. But I honestly can't figure out what they're getting at here. Do they mean that Chirac is the antichrist? I can think of several far more plausible candidates ...

    (Reply to this) (Thread)


    [info]textureslut
    2005-07-06 11:59 pm UTC (link)
    I am too drunk to Google on this, but I believe what they're getting at here is that the Antichrist will only rise when there is a one-world government, and that anything that delays the EU delays the one-world government.

    (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


    [info]emilypost
    2005-07-07 05:58 pm UTC (link)
    Ooooooooh, I see. Thank you! I bow to your superior knowledge of apocalyptic propaganda.

    (Reply to this) (Parent)

    Standing-o
    [info]fuckingalfresco
    2005-07-06 08:29 pm UTC (link)
    Just a few things: check this out.

    I doubt the UK is going to be doing any dragging. Things there are incredibly problematic at the moment, and morale is nil. In my mind, France/Germany or just the EU in general is a far better bet.

    I don't understand why you don't have a full time political blog. You could be getting paid to do something you're obviously passionate about. You're already well invested in and spend a lot of time on various forums, so to address drop your new venture would bring in instant audience. Add in the various strategic advertising and you can easily pull in more than pocket change. Seeing as the employment situ has been an issue for so long, I would guess that any little bit would help. I'd willing donate the server space to get you started.

    (Reply to this) (Thread)

    Re: Standing-o
    [info]textureslut
    2005-07-07 10:46 am UTC (link)
    Hey, thanks. I actually tried the full-time political blog thing for a while in the fall of 2002, but quite honestly I realized that I am just not very good at original analysis and I wouldn't want to do it if I wasn't providing something somewhat original.

    That being said, I've been meaning to tell you for a while that your new site already looks to be seriously amazing. Kudos on that.

    (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

    Re: Standing-o
    [info]fuckingalfresco
    2005-07-07 08:31 pm UTC (link)
    Thanks, I appreciate that.

    Original analysis or nothing, eh? Hrm. I see your point; it's just so hard to actually produce original commentary these days. Not because of plagiarism, but I think there's a lot of like-minded people reading the same sources. Then it seems to be a sort of race to press "publish" and beat the peers to a so-called scoop, which isn't a scoop so much as it is a rehash of everything that came before. That being said, I think there is a definite need for a site or sites provide in-depth coverage on a per-issue basis, instead of posting news chronologically. Wikipedia only partially solves the issue; Wikinews is highly lacking. Know of any good (and I mean really good) sites, blogs, or wikis that manage to wrap everything up on a per-issue basis? I itch like a nasty yeast infection for something like that.

    (Reply to this) (Parent)


    [info]moraulf
    2005-07-06 08:59 pm UTC (link)
    What's really scary is, Billy Graham seems kind of acceptable in today's political climate.

    As somebody who tries to study history a little bit (and teach it a lot), I can say that generally speaking it is really easy for people who are deliberative, rational, and genuinely interested in the public good to get totally screwed by people who are irrational, absolutist, and only interested in the good of themselves/their subgroup. This is because it is easier to help a subgroup than it is to help everyone. It is also easier to keep people afraid than it is to keep people thinking. And, finally, it is because it is in all of us to be stupid and petty and violent and to think badly of others in order to think better of ourselves.

    Some obvious examples of this kind of thing: the life of Jesus Christ, the life of Gandhi, the life of Martin Luther King, the French Revolution, the extremely quick turnaround between the American Revolution and Shay's Rebellion, the start of WWI, the start of WWII, and basically everything else that has ever happened in history.

    That said, I don't think George Bush is the worst president ever. Andrew Jackson (who also stole an election in a quasi-constitutional way) actively committed genocide, for example, and that's hard to top.

    But we're still totally fucked, because a) China owns 33% of America's debt and is using control of the debt to keep our currency artificially high, which means that pretty much anytime they want, China can massively destabilize the value of the dollar and cause a catastrophic economic collpase and b) Our people are lazier and less ambitious than people in the third world who we are outsourcing jobs to.

    Also, W. is pretty damned bad. In the next few months/years, we're going to start hearing talk about getting rid of "unfair" income taxes and replacing them with sales tax, which is pretty much the end of all social programs as we know them. The American rich are going to rob this place blind and leave the American people in a smoking crater of suck where we will be laughed at until our early deaths, which we will not be able to prevent because we will be obese from having to eat fast food all the time since we can't cook and have no money, and because we won't be able to afford doctors for our heart conditions.

    Ah, well.

    (Reply to this)


    [info]stackolee
    2005-07-06 09:50 pm UTC (link)
    I think George Galloway summed up Iraq the best, I won't summarize here because the site did a very good job putting all the relevant links in one place.

    Weren't the late nineties awesome? I plan to tell my kids all about it. I wonder if they'll believe me.

    (Reply to this)

    Interesting Post and Commentary
    (Anonymous)
    2005-07-07 06:30 am UTC (link)
    Your post is quite good, and I have to admit that I liked it much better than the post that made you write this. I could comment on the economic side of the issues, but I might save that for my own blog post.

    One of the things you mention on the domestic politics arena is the ascendancy of the extreme right-wing. I believe, though, that you have only shown one side of the coin. The problem in national politics--one that is makings its way into local politics--is the rise of extreme bases in both parties. If you look at the makeup of Congress today, there are no centrists, no member who is willing to make a compromise. Instead, as both Houses of Congress have become polarized we see most legislation being voted on party lines.

    I believe it is safe to say that most of America are centrists, with a slight conservative bent (I would go so far as to call it prudish). The problem is that most of these centrists don't vote--the academic scourge of the silent majority.

    Another point, which I agree with on totally different grounds, revolves around our conduct of foreign policy. I am not a terribly large fan of Secretary Rice--seeing her as one of the Administration hawks. My other problem with this administration is the normal extension of varied diplomatic niceties that just are not taking place. Even a geopolitical realist such as Kissinger made certain those niceties were extended. I tend to not see that with this administration.

    (Reply to this) (Thread)

    Re: Interesting Post and Commentary
    (Anonymous)
    2005-07-07 06:31 am UTC (link)
    Ooops. Forgot to sign.

    -- Jason J. Thoams

    (Reply to this) (Parent)

    Re: Interesting Post and Commentary
    [info]textureslut
    2005-07-07 10:17 am UTC (link)
    The problem in national politics--one that is makings its way into local politics--is the rise of extreme bases in both parties. If you look at the makeup of Congress today, there are no centrists, no member who is willing to make a compromise.

    Totally disagree. If anything, the left wing was compromising all the time until around the time Howard Dean came to national prominence in fall 2003 or so. Maybe this is my lefty bias showing, but I really don't think that the American left-wing is anywhere as near leftist as the the right-wing is rightist. I think the polarization in Congress is primarily due to the right-wing pursuing an extremely adversarial strategy in which they spend less time arguing the validity of their own policies and more time accusing the opposition of being either traitors, heathens or criminals, depending on which base they're talking to.

    I do totally agree with you about Kissinger, and I also can't believe that this crew is so bad that I find myself wishing we had somebody as odious as him in charge.

    (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

    Re: Interesting Post and Commentary
    [info]moraulf
    2005-07-07 05:10 pm UTC (link)
    It's awfully dangerous to start wishing we had some powerful, crazy left-wing zealots, though, isn't it?

    (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

    Re: Interesting Post and Commentary
    [info]textureslut
    2005-07-07 08:00 pm UTC (link)
    Wait, where did I say I wished that?

    (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

    Re: Interesting Post and Commentary
    [info]moraulf
    2005-07-08 04:23 am UTC (link)
    You didn't, but it sort of follows that if the problem with the left is that they're too middle-of-the-road to effectively oppose the right, then the way to solve that problem would be to find some scary commies to make the centrists on the left look reasonable.

    Okay, so maybe I am already wishing for some crazies, dangerous or not.

    (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

    Re: Interesting Post and Commentary
    [info]textureslut
    2005-07-08 06:05 am UTC (link)
    I see. I don't think we need wild-eyed commies on the left, just more principled liberals who aren't afraid to call bullshit and aren't constantly on the defensive (Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, John Conyers, Russ Feingold, Barbara Boxer would be some good examples.) Of course, the conservative way of dealing with people like this is to call them wild-eyed commies.

    (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

    Re: Interesting Post and Commentary
    [info]moraulf
    2005-07-08 04:52 pm UTC (link)
    See, but why can't we call them facists?

    They so are.

    (Reply to this) (Parent)


    [info]messy_hair_girl
    2005-07-07 10:23 am UTC (link)
    I read 1984 for the first time like the winter before last or something. It gave me the worst nightmares ever becuase it is, as you say, prophetic.

    (Reply to this)


    [info]pemberleya
    2005-07-07 02:21 pm UTC (link)
    i missed your political posts too. excellent comeback. i read somewhere that we're on track to be a post-power, like alot of european countries. really, i think that's awesome, because i'd kind of like to live in europe. people are happier.

    for more depression, read "the end of oil."

    (Reply to this)


    [info]brijcorns
    2005-07-07 04:07 pm UTC (link)
    Excellent post. That's it. My brain hurts and I have nothing original to divulge.

    (Reply to this)


    Create an Account
    Forgot your login or password?
    Login w/ OpenID
    English • Español • Deutsch • Русский…